Phoebe Bridgers has been busy with lots of projects in the three years since her debut, and now she returns with Punisher – along with a sense of confidence about where she is musically. One of her recent collaborations is called Better Oblivion Community Centre with Conor Oberst – but when it came to him appearing on her own album, things worked a bit differently. We’ll hear that story today, and Phoebe performs some stripped-down versions of music from Punisher. Coming up, on the next World Cafe with host Raina Douris.

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