BW jhmsTerry talks with the authors of the new book Border Wars: Inside Trump's Assault on Immigration, Julie Hirschfeld Davis & Michael Shear of the New York Times. They say Trump’s goal is to make crossing the border terrifying. They report he even suggested a border moat filled with snakes and alligators. Join us.

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